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7 minutes ago, Oz70NYC said:

Perhaps it's best if you take your own advice and stop commenting in this thread. Just as you've stated your mind won't change on this semantics, other people's minds won't change on how they feel towards the other side of the community and it's leadership. You've openly said you don't know of the details of the drama AND don't care to know of it, and that's your choice. Other people DO know. And expecting them to remain silent on such matters just because it makes you uncomfortable is flat out foolish. YOU chose to engage this discussion with a point of view you knew was going to go against the grain. I'm not saying you shouldn't have. We allow and encourage open, transparent discussion. But at the same time, when you do make a statement/comment you know is going to garner a negative reaction, you need to be prepared for that reaction. You don't get to speak your peace and not expect a retort from people. That's not how debates work, my friend.

So what I'm going to do from this point in this thread is state that there will be no more responding to your initial or following comments within it. You made your point, and several people made their points in response to it. You feel the way you do, and people feel the way they do. There is no right or wrong way to feel on the subject of the leadership of the other side. Whereas on their side...they would tell you it's THEIR side, or no side. And that in and of itself is the difference between their community and ours. So make your last post the actual LAST time you speak on this subject, and I'll personally see to it that there are no further replies to your comments. Just know that the majority of this community harbor the feelings they do for the other side for legit reasons, whether you care to know what those reasons are or not.

If anyone has further statements or critiques towards the actual topic at hand, feel free to comment. If you wish to speak or debate about the "divide" between the community, there's an actual place to do so HERE.

And that's where this matter ends.

Thank You. It was never up for debate. It was take it or leave it. I'm a regular member remember. You didn't even have to respond anymore. Just a quick read over the last couple engagements would have sufficed and let you know it was time to wave the flag. But I do appreciate the link. Cheers. 

13 minutes ago, Zer0 said:

Whatever helps you buddy, you wanna make this a bigger deal and seem to revel in drama.

So you make up whatever you want.

You wanted to comment to stir the pot in hopes of a reply. Here it is. I'm not your buddy. Try to be condescending to someone else.

1 minute ago, Smoke said:

lol damn, you are taking it personal. I thought I already moved on twice.

If that's what it takes for the conversation to be over then I'm all for you it. Great Talk.

11 hours ago, Smoke said:

I mean, you asked twice; "why not invite them....." and I answered it. No sure if you expect a different answer but that is the harsh reality. I explained it to you to add context because I wasn't sure if you were going to ask 'than why haven't they joined' and I was trying to save myself the trouble. Plus it will at least serve a purpose if others will read on and so they can fully understand our position. 

I mean, listen dude - I said it because I'm am playing it safe. My response is usually getting to the point and move on to something else. Because of it, I get accused of being rude and downplaying people. I try to explain it and there still some kind lack of understanding. Either way, I would rather play it safe for my own sake - I don't know if you take my answer or comment as insult, so I wanted to assure you that I aint got nothing against you - that is it lol

Listen, that is fine. Ok, you are big guy and you can handle yourself. That is fine. I'm just saying what needed to said. There is alot of bs that is coming from over there so I just wanted to warn people - there have been many people that they used and they didn't know it. Either way - I'm not gonna bore you and I get it - you don't care.

lol honestly if you assume that I'm taking it personal. Ok, if that is what you believe in. But only I know how I feel - I go to the a mechanic so he can help me change the camshaft on my V8 block, not to get my teeth repaired and cleaned by him. But if you click on my profile and click on files - I mean, I've been doing what you literally claim to do: 'I do this for the love of the game'. I've been making mods, sharing them. And if you click on album, images, activity, etc. You will also see that I've Learning and improving my modding ability. Teaching others how to make mods. Making videos, pictures. On top of that, helping run this site. So IF I did take it personally, I wouldn't be here and I would be ranting about them 24/7 in LL. 

 

Well, this is something we expected to happen 2 years ago. But they kept of pushing it back and adding more chapters, so this should 'greatly' cement our separation, something we been trying to do for years, they go to V11 and we stay with VX - aside from it being 64bit (but not being properly tested) and it having the ability to have 2 toys per model. VX is still superior to V11 and we'll be sticking and supporting VX. We haven't involved anyone nor asked people to do anything against them and we mostly been keeping any sharp criticism confined to certain posts/threads and if people think they are getting placed in the middle of it, I suggest that you ask them to stop and not bring it here.

 

Aye-aye, Captain

That is false I didn't ask twice. Asking is a question and there are zero question marks. I gave you two options and if you refuse either then I know this is going to be a continuation. The End. The popularity remarks, the adding information that is off subject to my constructive criticism tells me it's being taken personal. But I'm not going to continue to explain something so simple that should have been understood the first time I wrote it. There is no rebuttal or debate on how I feel about seeing it here. Can we move on now? <-- that's a question.

6 hours ago, Zer0 said:

I reaaally wanted to reply directly but can't promise I wouldn't start being scathing especially given the sheer level of ignorance, borderline white knighting and attitude but instead I'll say this.

But I massively appreciate that Hdiddy and folks that brought about KE are incredibly transparent with the site and the ongoings, and feel it's incredibly ignorant and silly to be like "oh just be friends or don't say anything mean".

This take is clearly my point. Indirected comments to become the exact ego that's despised. What do you want me to gain from this? Brown nosing and misquoting because I have a different take on what this community should be about. Thank You. 

11 hours ago, Tipsy said:

"I'm so reluctant to get involved in the drama that I've written several long comments about it."

An unnecessary comment that does nothing to change my mood about it but fuel your itching fingers for comment. The semantics of words doesn't change how I personal feel which you have wrongfully determined through context. I must have triggered you. Which means you need to reread what I wrote. I've made it very clear.  

4 hours ago, Smoke said:

I'll be honest here; I was initially gonna response but opted not to because I'm annoyed of it and I just want to move past it and I didn't want to look like we were ganging up on someone over some petty ish. But its similar to what HDiddy and Oz said.

So don't take this the wrong way here (because I'm not trying to be rude or dick here) but you are either extremely naive or you been living under a extremely cozy rock

So to answer your question; yes we invited them over. Multiple times. And of those times, they dragged their feet, requested silly demands (such as, taking the site offline so they can prepare V11), requested that certain users be kicked/banned/reprimanded, request that those that 'supported' the site cost be used as pay pigs and they publicly apologize for telling the truth and shaming them. They requested a ton of silly demands.

Its not bs man, HDiddy shared the screens of the discussion that he had with avarteas and K17. He was tired of waiting for the response and when the day was over, he would logged off and they would 'show up' and blame that we were a no show to the table. We tried this many times, in discord, in LL, etc. It was annoying juvenile tactics in which we decided to decided to go our own way.

So I agree to a point, that YES, perhaps our criticism is juvenile and we taunt them. But it isn't without any merits, they set themselves up right in front of us. They got it to this point. They created all these issues. They are the ones that put you in the middle of the drama. (and by you, I mean the entire community for this game).

Them creating a replacement site: MG went down in 2020. Its 2023 dude. It took them years to create a replacement site. They fed the community that they would have a replacement ready and will launch it 'soon' - a week, couple weeks, waiting for updates, etc. Ton of excuses was created by them. Honestly, it was HDiddy that created the idea and pitched it roy, avarteas, ejax, etc to use that weird sketchy site filled with underage stuff 'sugarandspice' and to rebrand it. That was said in 2021 - it took them to years to listen to it. 

Game drama: they didn't like the success of this site. They tried everything to bring it down. From falsely DMCA claims (using logos, daz stuff, real names, etc). They sent in individuals to create drama. They pushed false information (here is wild one, XP was some kind of crypto currency). To claiming that we harbored pedos (they went in hard on a couple of users like Be3yH4uk and oaks), to promoting discrimination (recall, I sent you a PM about your blaxploitation images). And seesh, we tried keeping such BS out of public eye so we can move forward and it would often play bad on our end because we had to people 'to parody it', to remove you content, etc - and they would get pissed. Enough was enough, we needed to expose them and we had to stand our ground, and it was a harsh reality for some.

 

 

Personally, they made the beef personal and extended it beyond that. Saying that you don't care about and than telling us to invite them over. I mean, really? That is a contradiction considering of all that has been said and done. Power to you if you are a extremely forgiving individual. 

So I conclude this dude; I just saying this before this is used to create some kind of drama - I got no issues with you as I have enjoyed your work and we had healthy chatter in regards to modding, and and as I know, no one got any issues with you. I warned people many times, don't do their dirty work. The time will come when they will approach you with some kind of false title which will sound great and important, but they will use you. And K17, has no problem disposing someone as talented like you. He has done it many times (Rick9, Euphie, NCP, Pervok, berger, and a lot more). Euphie told me this many times; K17 is a manipulative individual. Rick9 warned her, and she warned me. And I warned HDiddy. And I will warn the KE community that they will approach you to pick a side and 'to do something' to showcase your loyalty. You can keep supporting both side if you wish. That is your will and desire - but again, walk away if they force you pick a side.

I'm guess I'm both naive and been living under a rock because I simply don't care enough to followup on drama. I am not here for that. I am saying this 3 times now in a different way . I didn't follow the story I followed the game and familiar content creators usernames. From loverslab, 4chan, to here and whichever was getting more motion is where I ended up from just a google search. It's that simple. This is becoming a contradiction of what I said. I didn't ask for a breakdown. It serves me no purpose because it ends with the same results. We are just running in circles. My two cents isn't going to be recanted or edited. I really don't know how many more ways I can say this. It's drawn out or and I'm expounding for zero reason at this point. The conclusion is completely unnecessary. Our prior engagements has nothing to do with what I said. Anyone having a problem with me doesn't either. I don't care about that stuff. I'm not heavily involved. No one is going to manipulate me. I'm not advocating for anyone but myself. I don't care about internet titles. I don't need to be warned. I do this for the love of the game<--- that's me circling back again. I'd like you to take what I said for exactly what it is just that and that only. I believe you are taking what I said too personal. Yes I don't care about y'all beef because I'm not apart of it. And I refuse to be. But I'm seeing it and that's why I called it out. Yes I am a forgiving individual but it doesn't mater because the next option I said was "be cool enough to go your separate ways but can we be respectful of those here for the enjoyment of the game." Which means it shouldn't involve the rest of us. But again here we are having the convo on something that should have been oblivious. This is why I said you become the people you despise. Because I am now subjected to it as a result. Even if you don't see it that way. I pay attention to action. Action is what brought us to this discussion. If you need to understand my position here. You can call me the voice of reason I guess. I read through the thread and literally said to myself "Wtf is this high school shit I don't want to see this." So I replied. We are all here for the same common reason. The Game. So in a nutshell. "Save the drama for your mama" lol and this is my last reply on this. 

18 hours ago, Oz70NYC said:

If you had any idea the amount of double-dealing and back stabbing they've done towards us away from prying eyes, your comment wouldn't exist. What you fail to realize, as does a lot of folk that share your perspective...is that has been and still is a LOT happening behind the scenes where normal members like you have no access. They have tried to undermine us on an administrative level at ever turn,  on ever platform we coexist. They attack US. Not the other way around. Furthermore...we could never become those we despise...cuz we don't despise them. They despise us. And as far as modders leaving because this drama? Grossly incorrect. Most of them left because their content was being used by Patreon creators without consent or credit. (A practice we openly condemn, but "they" allow BTW.) Again...info you're not privy as a regular member. We respect you having your own opinion...but from my personal perspective your opinion is rooted in misinformation. We're not asking anyone to "pick a side" because there's no reason. War needs 2 active participants. We're not at war with them, they're at war with the truth. Truth just so happens to be on our side.

I don't think you caught the gist of what I said. I don't care about y'all beef it doesn't matter who did what. If I'm oblivious to what happens or has happened behind the scenes then there's no reason for me able to point that out or even elaborate on the subject to have this conversation. But this is not a private discussion and the harbored feelings have poured over into my "regular member" POV. It's sour and I can grasp that through context. I gave you all this in my initial response. Which I've told you how it feels and what it looks like from the outside. That's not going to change no matter what your response is because we are now here... So I'll say it again. "either invite them in or be cool enough to go your separate ways but can we be respectful of those here for the enjoyment of the game" it just creates unnecessary drama and confusion for those not "privy" I hope that better put things in perspective.....I already spoke to HDiddy in a PM...

I don't see the point of having a condescending title if there is no bad blood. I get informing people about it just so there's no confusion but reading along it has turned into a roast session and bitterness.  I support both teams because I appreciate everyone's hard work and time which is the most value thing in life. It sucks to see bashing posts like this instead of congratulating them on the release and wishing them well for even making the effort to better a game for complete strangers and their niches. I try to help and support on both sides because my main interest is having a place to make the game better and share content and if that isnt the common goal then what's the point? It circles back to ego, pride, and grudges which is all I see here and fingers pointing. You become the people you despise. Either invite them in or be cool enough to go your separate ways but can we be respectful of those here for the enjoyment of the game and don't want to be in the middle of it. I shouldn't have to feel like I'll be banned if I support both sides. I don't care who shares my content. Once it's on the internet I give it to the world anyways. I make mods for everyone. I believe this very scenario has ran countless talented creators away because who wants to deal with drama when they are fueling their quirks. I don't speak often but that's my two cents.

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