Hook5 Extended Version

[pervokpetr]

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This is unlocked extended version. I'm share it because I can't support regular updates anymore. First I have no enough good ideas to continue with project. Second - those ideas that I have require a lot of time and efforts and scare even me. So I'm think I should share it. I'm not drop the project right now, as I said I have some complicated ideas, but I can't even predict how much time it will require, also I still should finish/try some ideas for exclusive version. 

I hope that you, my patrons, not disappointed by hook5, we all know that this is outdated game, I tried all that in my abilities to change this game appearance. I hope I  could.

About VXGI. I successfully resolved sun shadows bug and movement halo bug, lucky that problem was not in dynamic objects. Currently I'm trying learn and understand vxgi parameters for better quality and performance. Also new problem faced - transparent object require new shading to recieve correct VXGI lighting and should be compiled by VXGI module - have no clue right now how to do it - my shading complicated enough. Once I resolve this questions all exclusive patrons will receive version with VXGI. And I will move further with attempt to implement physx clothing - as I said in begining of project I have doubt about this, but as you I want to give it a try.

And finaly - without your support hook5 had no chance to be implemented!

Thanks you all!

 

[Siberia]

Неужели пенсионный возраст наступает для проекта, сколько времени прошло с затусима, лет 8-10? Или Больше? В голове не укладывается этот срок, немалая часть жизни как никак.
На сей раз не смог удержаться и не отреагировать, топчик, как всегда!

[Number251137]

I think it's pretty awesome that you've managed to make the game look as good as it does considering the base game engine... big kudos to you for that! Thanks for all your hard work over the years, and I for one shall be keeping my Patreon donation because I'm happy to do so, and, well, a dollar a month really isn't going to break the bank!  Good luck for the future.

- Number251137

[Guest]

Thank you for your incredible work!

[Ozif]

You have consistently underpromised and overdelivered. I have never regretted supporting your work. What you have achieved is impressive and way more than I expected.

[LogicX]

Agree to above. And I would not play this game if it was not for what the H5 (and previous hook versions too for that matter) does to game functions and graphics. Outstanding work and I wish you the best going forward

[petsos]

Thanks for everything perv, your work is among the best for this game.

[x17]

Pervokpetr is a person who single handedly pushed visuals of TK17 for 10-15 years in the future.

 

Thank you for all you have done - you deserve as much support as possible.

[onevision]

As a long time basic version user, I am amazed at what hook accomplished for this game (even in its limited edition) and want to thank Pervokpetr personally for making this possible even for non-supporters. 

With DRM gone, I have one reason more to acquire a full licence.

[Sexvision]

Hook is way more than graphics alone. Perv turned the game into a sandbox, and that is a very big deal.

[Ro_TK]

+1 on the above. Loved hook and still do. Without it the game is useless.

 

Edited March 9, 2021 by Ro_TK

[mingxuan66]

Thank you for your incredible work!

[Warren101]

I wasn't following the H5 progression so I am a bit lost but what is Hook 5 Extended version? Does it have all H5 features? Im asking because I would be interested to invest it.

[Guest]

good on him for finally seeing reason. I have a question: everyone who canceled their subscription before now is still screwed, or do we also get a DRM-free version?

[x17]

@Warren101

Yes - this current version is full H5 version, its DRM free, which means there are no codes sent back and forth - so its 1 $ ( or more if people want to support ) and you have it.

[Number251137]

2 hours ago, Cold Irony said:

good on him for finally seeing reason. I have a question: everyone who canceled their subscription before now is still screwed, or do we also get a DRM-free version?

Yes, you're totally screwed. Don't change your hard drive for any reason!!!!!!

But actually, isn't that exactly the same as before? If you had paid a dollar and then cancelled, you had to subscribe again if you needed a new key. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Number251137 said:

Yes, you're totally screwed. Don't change your hard drive for any reason!!!!!!

But actually, isn't that exactly the same as before? If you had paid a dollar and then cancelled, you had to subscribe again if you needed a new key. 

what do you mean by "same as before"? pervokpetr removed the DRM from Hook5. now his patrons can use it freely, without being stuck to the same hardware. but this DRM should've never been there in the first place. imagine for a second that pervokpetr just stopped sending out keys — what then? then *everyone* would be screwed. considering the coronavirus situation, it wasn't (and still isn't) an unlikely scenario. it's a good thing he finally realized this, but if Hook5 itself is still behind a playwall, this is unfair to the people who supported him in the past.

[x17]

@Cold Irony

He means that you would need to pay a dollar again anyways to get the update with DRM-free H5 in this particular situation of yours now - its DRM-free, but its not fully free. However, you would get it DRM-free again, without worries about any potential hardware changes in the future.

The reason why there was a DRM in first place was because it would be leaked very fast, particularly because there are certain individuals that would do it in a heartbeat. And then you would have H5 project ending before it even begun. If some people dont recall, this actually occured once when H5 project started, and it threatened to end the whole project prematurely.

Honestly, I dont think freeloaders and leechers understand the concept of pledging - you pledge to support the creator, you give money for his / hers time and effort, so that even more can be done. Basically, freeloaders and leechers often kill off such projects even before they begin, and then community has nothing or barely anything. Its an extremely dumb move. I say - if people like something and they want to see creator making more - then support it.

At this point, logic says that Pervok sees project more or less as "finalized" or possibly as project that reached a milestone, altough not completely ending it. 

[Number251137]

39 minutes ago, Cold Irony said:

what do you mean by "same as before"? pervokpetr removed the DRM from Hook5. now his patrons can use it freely, without being stuck to the same hardware. but this DRM should've never been there in the first place. imagine for a second that pervokpetr just stopped sending out keys — what then? then *everyone* would be screwed. considering the coronavirus situation, it wasn't (and still isn't) an unlikely scenario. it's a good thing he finally realized this, but if Hook5 itself is still behind a playwall, this is unfair to the people who supported him in the past.

I see what you're saying, and arguably it could have had potentially disastrous consequences should Pervokpetr ever have stopped issuing keys - much like the owner of ModsGarden dissapeared and so the whole website dissapeared along with them. Unfortunately, however, as @x17 has said, if it was the price of continuing the Hook 5 journey, then it was a risk worth taking. Of course, now that it is DRM free, then everybody now has key-free access. Happy days!

[Guest]

5 hours ago, x17 said:

@Cold Irony

He means that you would need to pay a dollar again anyways to get the update with DRM-free H5 in this particular situation of yours now - its DRM-free, but its not fully free. However, you would get it DRM-free again, without worries about any potential hardware changes in the future.

The reason why there was a DRM in first place was because it would be leaked very fast, particularly because there are certain individuals that would do it in a heartbeat. And then you would have H5 project ending before it even begun. If some people dont recall, this actually occured once when H5 project started, and it threatened to end the whole project prematurely.

Honestly, I dont think freeloaders and leechers understand the concept of pledging - you pledge to support the creator, you give money for his / hers time and effort, so that even more can be done. Basically, freeloaders and leechers often kill off such projects even before they begin, and then community has nothing or barely anything. Its an extremely dumb move. I say - if people like something and they want to see creator making more - then support it.

At this point, logic says that Pervok sees project more or less as "finalized" or possibly as project that reached a milestone, altough not completely ending it. 

I get the payment situation, but I take issue with the rest of your statements. I'm sorry if what I'm about to say sounds unfriendly.

first of all, why do you assume that the project would just die if it wasn't locked down so aggressively? some people would still be willing to pay. granted, not multiple thousands of dollars a month, but surely enough to make it worthwhile. the fact that pervokpetr threatened to end the project if somebody pirated his precious software means he wasn't content with just being compensated for his work, he wanted to squeeze every last dollar out his customers (whom he treated very poorly, by the way). most Patreon software development projects aren't even close to being so stingy about their stuff. some of them even make older versions of the product available for free once the development has advanced enough.

second, who are you calling a freeloader? you use pirated software yourself. if the company game didn't get cracked, none of us would be here. but we are here, and that's because this community is (or, at least, used to be) based on the principle of free sharing. hell, what would Hook5 (or Hook4, or any previous version) even be worth if people from the community didn't make assets for it? nothing, it wouldn't be of any use. we didn't lock down ours textures, objects, and level definitions behind paywalls and restrictive protection measures, we shared everything for free. well, most of us.

content creators are within their right to set up donation options for those who want to reward them. they can even disregard the communal spirit and lock their content behind a paywall. but to criticize others for not wanting to pay? nobody here has the moral right to do that.

5 hours ago, Number251137 said:

I see what you're saying, and arguably it could have had potentially disastrous consequences should Pervokpetr ever have stopped issuing keys - much like the owner of ModsGarden dissapeared and so the whole website dissapeared along with them. Unfortunately, however, as @x17 has said, if it was the price of continuing the Hook 5 journey, then it was a risk worth taking. Of course, now that it is DRM free, then everybody now has key-free access. Happy days!

I don't think the 'price' had to be what it was, but it's just history now.

[x17]

@Cold Irony

 

I would strongly disagree with that - especially with statement that "he wanted to squeeze every last dollar out his customers". 

Several things to put into perspective : 

- Pervok has improved visuals of the game to such extent where game was put into modern standards regarding that, solely on his own. Do you think this isnt worth 1 $ ?

- Who am I calling a freeloader ? Those jerks who cannot comprehend what means when someone invests their time and effort into something, and they dont realize that its either they get support, or there is no project at all. Yeah, those jerks who would like to be served on silver platter every single time.

- Yeah, the game was cracked... and ? I can make opposite counter-question - where would you be if 3X didnt make a SV at all ? You see, the "logic" goes BOTH ways ... it goes all the way back to the company who made the original game.

- Someone comes and tells you "Im going to make graphics and visuals in this game truly worthy", and you say to them, "no, you must make it free for everyone" - and they say : "Ok, bye..." 

 

Now putting a question honestly, to everyone - how many people would "play" this game if there was no HOOK5 at all ? 

  

[pes1972]

Just appreciate what he has done to this game, 90% in here wouldn´t be playing the game at all without hook. Me for one would never touch it with the graphics of the original game.

[Guest]

@x17, did you not read the paragraph where I pointed out the importance of community-made assets? Hook5 is an impressive technical achievement — I never denied this — but to say that pervokpetr is solely responsible for where the game is right now is beyond unfair, it's dishonest. the community made this game what it is. don't make one of its members out to be some kind of messiah. pervokpetr plays a very important role, but TheKlub doesn't end with him.

in regards to "$1". I think Hook5 is worth that, and more, but it's not like that's the amount its author gets paid. the community paid him well.

in regards to the "jerks who cannot comprehend what means when someone invests their time and effort into something". I don't know what my content looks like to you, maybe it looks like low-effort garbage. in reality, it often takes me dozens, sometimes hundreds of hours to make. and it doesn't look like there are even that many people capable to produce textures on my level of quality (most of the stuff here seems to be ported from DAZ). I could make a living from this if I made people pay for my content. but I don't, and I don't cry about it like a bitch. because I know that the community already rewards me with content that others make.

the fact that the game was cracked means nobody who uses it has a moral high ground when discussing piracy. not you, not me, not anyone else. nobody gets to say "you have to support the people whose stuff you use". that's what I was getting at.

I don't know where you've been all these years, but pervokpetr didn't start out with Hook5. I still recall Hook3 and Hook4, and those were completely free (not gimped like the free version of Hook5). so I don't know where your "Ok, bye..." argument comes from, since that's obviously not what happened. in fact, every modder on MG that monetized their content didn't start out that way. at first, everybody was making content for free, and they did it on their own volition. the idea of monetization came much later, and I'd argue that it was the point when MG started losing its momentum. I don't know if it was caused by the monetization, but it definitely happened at the same time.

@pes1972, I do appreciate his accomplishment, and always did. what I don't appreciate is the notion that he's the only one who ever did anything for the game. I especially don't like it when people use this falsehood to excuse the not-so-nice aspects of his business.

[x17]

@Cold Irony

I have said exactly this above : "Pervok has improved visuals of the game to such extent where game was put into modern standards regarding that, solely on his own"

Visuals of the game, the graphic part of the game. Not a single time I have mentioned he was "messiah" or that he was the only one when other aspects are taken into account - dont falsely claim I said something, when its clear above what I have said, and what I havent. But when its a visual part, then yes, he is the sole individual who improved the game to modern levels.

Do you see yourself as a "jerk who cannot comprehend what means when someone invests their time and effort into something" ? Nobody puts your abilities into question, nor I have put them into question ever. Nor do I care... tastes are different, people are different, someone will like something - while for someone else it will look like "shit".

No, youre completely missing the point for a good margin - it means that if 3X havent made the game, there would be nothing to crack. This community, just like MG community wouldnt exist at all. Its not the moral high ground at all - its very simple, if someone says "I need support for XY project or there is no project", everyone has a choice. They can support, or they can not ... by saying "it MUST be free for everyone" is exactly taking a moral high ground.

Yes, there were previous versions of HOOK ... all made by Pervok, all made for free. And now you say "well, H5 should be free, too" ? So he gave several HOOK versions completely free to community, he gave H5 basic completely for free, too ... but now its a problem because extended version wasnt free ? Dont you see a cold irony in that statement of yours ?

 

Im seeing this nonsensical whining about "free stuff"... people will make free stuff, there is no problem about that, ever. And when someone appears that asks for support for larger and more extensive project, some folks like to gang up immediately onto the anyone who dared to go different path. Whats the problem with asking for support ? And even then, just like in case of HOOK, its previous versions and free H5, even then when certain features are completely free for everyone, then the same "free stuff folks" want even more - they want everything. And then that same "community" asks themselves "why is the community dying ?". Are there Patreon makers who "milk the buck" - absolutely yes. But were talking here about Pervokpetr. Without him, this game would be in range of vanilla graphics with eventual reshade - thats a fact.

 

[El Wrey]

1 hour ago, Cold Irony said:

in regards to the "jerks who cannot comprehend what means when someone invests their time and effort into something". I don't know what my content looks like to you, maybe it looks like low-effort garbage. in reality, it often takes me dozens, sometimes hundreds of hours to make. and it doesn't look like there are even that many people capable to produce textures on my level of quality (most of the stuff here seems to be ported from DAZ). I could make a living from this if I made people pay for my content. but I don't, and I don't cry about it like a bitch.

I'm sure he is referring to the disputes they been having. Its plastered in their announcements in which is interesting because they are trying to keep the community informed of the situation around the game.

But your criticism of his statement to boaster your work as being better than others is not doing you any good. You are pulling rank by simply seeing yourself as a long time veteran compared to X17. Though it may be true, it gives you no right to start seeing yourself as a god compared to berger, HDiddy, Smoke, Euphie, Pornplayer, soviet tiger, and all these content creators that have taken a shot on creating content for this game.

The fact that we are seeing a heavy flow of new content compared to what was being created in MG in its final years is great news for the community because it shows that something is being done right here.

Still, the subject is being derailed. We get it, you don't want to pay him a dollar anymore and you don't like his customer service. I myself haven't had a issue with customer service, he has been ok and he replies pretty quickly to my messages on patreon. I'm sure some people are with you but other aren't. Don't denounce them just because they don't agree with your statements.