Hook5 Extended Version

[Guest]

@x17, I didn't make any false claims. I simply called out what I consider to be an exaggeration.

pervokpetr did the groundwork which made the great technological leap possible. he didn't make the assets that took advantage of this technology. thus, he's not the only one responsible for the graphical improvement. you want proof of this? launch your game without anything in the ActiveMod folder. Hook5 relies on assets made by other people to reach its full potential. I don't understand why anyone would disagree with this logic.

as for whether or not I see myself as a "jerk …" — I see myself as someone who argues against hypocritical statements. the point I was making was very simple: if you pirate a game, you have no moral right to berate people for not wanting to pay for a mod that someone made for it. in other words, don't tell people off for being guilty of the same thing you did. that's it.

when switching from unpaid volunteer work to commercial business, one takes on new responsibilities, changes the expectations for how he  interacts with his customers, and to which level of scrutiny his products and/or services are held. at that point he no longer does somebody a favor, he does a job that somebody pays him to do. pervokpetr failed to understand it at the time. his combative, defensive attitude and a complete lack of care for aspects of his business that weren't directly related to coding turned a lot of people against him. admittedly, not everyone expressed their righteous indignation in a rational way every single time, but this doesn't mean there weren't any real problems.

@El Wrey, the boasting was in response to a perceived belittlement. I was pointing out that I gave back to the community, and that my contributions weren't worthless. I didn't compare my contributions directly to that of the people you listed. I have great respect for most of them, and not just for their content, but also for their larger roles in the community, past and present. even those I had issues with, I still acknowledge the good that they did.

in regards to the proverbial "them" from your first paragraph. I have to admit, ever since MG went down I've been out of the loop, and probably don't have the full picture. from the announcements it's evident there's been some conflict, but I didn't quite get it.

[x17]

@Cold Irony

Listen, Im not going to waste my time replying to you on your nonsense anymore. Consider this little argument throwing finished and this is my last reply on all of this.

Ill just put several points here : 

1. Dont try to put words I havent said at all into my mouth - thats a distortion and a lie. "You consider it to be exagerration" - anyone can read what I have written and confirm its not what I have said what you claim I have said.

2. If 3X havent made the game, there would be nothing to crack, there would be no SV and no game to play with. You dont see the issue with this ? Its a cracked game ... anyone can mod it on their own, make content on their own for it, make Patreon for their content, or make content completely for free ( well,all of this is a GREY area , yes ) - I only see whining of "free stuff folks" which cannot comprehend that the game is not bound by any rules anymore. Who are going to make the rules ? The only rules by law belong to 3X ... everything else is just exactly moral high ground and pure whining.

3. One issue more - if Team was so against Patreon, then why didnt they have problems ever with folks who created only images, videos and poses, and had a Patreon ? By their logic, this was a "good promotion". So, when content creators make a Patreon, theyre persecuted from the start by "free stuff folks" , but those same folks, they dont see their own hypocrisy in that ? "Logic" of free stuff folks" : "Video, image and pose Patreon good - but modder Patreon bad" ?  And no - I dont have anything against folks who create poses, images and videos, I think that anyone should make Patreon if they want to, or make free stuff if they want to, and let the freedom to create grow - and if people dont like someone having a Patreon who is "milking the buck" , they can always stop supporting which will lead eventually to signal to the creator theyre not making a good job. Im pointing out the utter hypocrisy when its clearly its not about Patreon at all, but about tiny petty egos of some people.

4. I have seen some folks claiming "I have done this for the game - I have done that for the game..." ... you know, actions speak louder than any promises and claims. Ultimately, at the end of the day it doesnt matter if someone had or didnt have Patreon ... its only important that they delivered with their goals and aims. And if they delivered, it pushed the modding forward and revitalized the game more ... and it also even inspired some folks to become modders on their own. 

 

Ill repeat, I dont care if someone has Patreon or makes things for free ... as long as its improving and making breakthroughs, the main goal of modding is achieved. Whining that "everything should be free" ... its very pointless and hypocritical at this point - mainly because food on our tables doesnt materialize for free out of nowhere. As said above, consider this conversation done, the thread was already derailed enough. 

[Driver]

I don't think ColdIrony claims everything should be free. He's questioning ”Why is pervokpetr uncriticizable?”

...I have an answer for the question. It's because pervokpetr has been developer of TK17 unofficially. That means TK17 has been developed by two uncooperative developers, and that is why K17 had to come up with a painful excuse that said TK17 is always free but pervokpetr is special one and he is the only person who can get paid for his work. (but K17 has never stated this though). From 2016 on TK17 has never been a free game in true meaning, the more people said TK17 is worthless without hook5, the more it has become not-free game.

Now it is becoming a part of the history of the game, basically you don't have to keep supporting hook5 project anymore once you get non DRM version (but I will for VXGI). And ColdIrony, I think you can criticize hook5 project as long as it is reasonable and polite, because Klub Exile is more about modding not like MG was, and you are a modder, or a good modder should I say. 

[Guest]

@x17, there's one last thing I have to address: if you're referring to the "team" that was originally developing TK17, then take it up with them. I have nothing to do with those people, and I can't be expected to explain their rationale.

@Driver, thank you for being a voice of reason in this thread, and for your kind words. just to clarify: for me, this isn't even so much about having a right to criticize pervokpetr (even though I always end up doing it), as it is about fairness. I've been pirating video games and software my entire life, and although I'm not doing it because of some ideological convictions, it still irks me when a fellow pirate (x17 in this case) starts berating others for not wanting to pay. likewise, elevating one person's importance (pervokpetr's in this case) at the expense of everyone else seems wrong to me, even if they didn't contribute in equal measure. not that I expect everyone to be unbiased all the time, but there shouldn't be a cult of personality either.

in any case, I didn't mean for this discussion to get so heated.

[MarkZappa]

10 minutes ago, EJAX said:

It seems many of you hail from an era where The Highwayman is the good guy. Last poster says, "I've been pirating video games and software my entire life", as if there are no consequences in this life. That didn't even become an option for me until I was at least 35. Before the Internet, I would have never thought to utter such words aloud, much less put them in writing.

What amazes me is that Patreon didn't boot pervokpetr ages ago! I'm sure they have a TOS somewhere. To his credit, I'm sure he's just as amazed as I am. I mean, he's obviously not stupid. Maybe he owns the company?

One of these days... I will close this thread...

[MarkZappa]

55 minutes ago, EJAX said:

Wassamatter? Can't have a free and open discussion without someone saying something you don't want to hear? Welcome to the Internet. Enjoy your stay!

Oh, yes... of course we can do! But we have had at least six hours of an argue that in my opinion was a horse with no legs and now the argument of the hour and let me ask publicly...

Who the hell fucking cares nowadays after about more or less ten years how the fuck a community member have managed to explode a loophole on a pirated copy of a commercial product without getting his ass drilled by some lawyers veiny shafts?

I mean yeah, no doubts pervokptr could have been gangbanged by lawyers for hours on an operetta worthy of being represented in one of those crazy as fuck tentacle porn hentai scenes but it didn't happened and the man made it somehow...

Do not get me wrong little gentleman but the only purpose of this thread was to announce that there will not be more DRM in hook 5 and from now on with just one dollar you'll have the extended version until its creator returns to his labor with new ideas, I think your post is really out of place plus many of us especially me are kinda tired of reading the same over and over and over again

Also nobody wants to censorship someone for thinking different but really do we need to argue about how and why a graphic enhancement tool is not free all the time? or why is illegal? We ain't going to close the thread by the way... (Is not on the plans) feel free to publish but I don't think you should throw such naiveness in one post in a community full of people with boiling blood

Edited March 11, 2021 by Gemini Kanon
Grammar mistake, me dunce... duh!

[Smoke]

The point of pervokpetr coming to a point with Hook5 is being derailed. Some people don't like what he did, some don't like his customer services, some didn't mind or had a bad experience.

You guys can voice your pros and cons. But to drag others to prove a point is petty, We(or the most of us) left MG and created KE because of MG inabilities to address certain issues that they decided to put under their crowded rug. The reality is; many modders felt that MG was just turning into a toxic paradise of belittle people for shits and giggle. VX was released in 2019 and the lack of support was amazing. Hardly anyone was using. Only a few people was keeping it alive. You would ask for help, support, assistance, request, you were given, no, 'greeting dumbass, don't post the same message', do it yourself, etc. We don't want that here. We had a people that stop posting come back and a bunch of great new content for VX in a short period appear here - more than want was created for in MG between 2018-2020. 

Consider this a warning, actions will be taken if people are still pushing sour agendas. You don't don't like pervokpetr, ok. We get it - you said the first time and I read it. It doesn't need to be re-posted every time.

3 hours ago, EJAX said:

What amazes me is that Patreon didn't boot pervokpetr ages ago! I'm sure they have a TOS somewhere.

That has been answer many times. Here is a short summary. Yes, 3x's supposedly shut him down for a while. It got K17 to panic because he and others thought MG was gonna be next. But his patreon stayed because he had to remove their proprietary's. Non-hook users further distrusted him because he made 3x look. Patreon TOS full of loopholes.

[Smoke]

5 minutes ago, EJAX said:

And that whole bit about "don't say the devil's name and he won't know you're there"... It doesn't work!

lmao That is so true. I find it funny how it was used in MG and still being used.

Well, I guess if you look in the mirror and say its name 3 times - something will happen

[MarkZappa]

21 minutes ago, Smoke said:

lmao That is so true. I find it funny how it was used in MG and still being used.

Well, I guess if you look in the mirror and say its name 3 times - something will happen

Yeaahh... legend has it that if you say 3X, 3X, 3X three times after midnight in front of the mirror, their lawyers appears behind you and kill your french poodle Frida or your persian cat Tommy...

... the thing here is, it doesn't seems to work with movie and pose creators because oh, I forgot it they are advertising a pirated copy of a comercial video game! And that's like "super cool"

Now, there's nothing let's to say nor to see here guys, let's all go to the drawing board and play with our personal harems of big titty dolls (it doesn't matter, big, small, hanging and scratching the floor... boobs is the name of the game!)

Back to the drawing board everyone!

[MarkZappa]

1 hour ago, EJAX said:

You just HAD to go there, didn't ya?! So far I've resisted the urge to say that most of y'all females wouldn't be able to get up off the desk, and most of y'all's (she)males would DIE if they ever got an erection!

Allow me to guess here my fluffy friend, what's your fix? Chlorpromazine, Haloperidol or atypical antipsychotics?

[arse22]

4 hours ago, Driver said:

I don't think ColdIrony claims everything should be free. He's questioning ”Why is pervokpetr uncriticizable?”

...I have an answer for the question. It's because pervokpetr has been developer of TK17 unofficially. That means TK17 has been developed by two uncooperative developers, and that is why K17 had to come up with a painful excuse that said TK17 is always free but pervokpetr is special one and he is the only person who can get paid for his work. (but K17 has never stated this though). From 2016 on TK17 has never been a free game in true meaning, the more people said TK17 is worthless without hook5, the more it has become not-free game.

Now it is becoming a part of the history of the game, basically you don't have to keep supporting hook5 project anymore once you get non DRM version (but I will for VXGI). And ColdIrony, I think you can criticize hook5 project as long as it is reasonable and polite, because Klub Exile is more about modding not like MG was, and you are a modder, or a good modder should I say. 

This is kind of hyperbole, imho. H5free does most of the heavy lifting as far as graphical improvement, H4 is completely free and still looks really good. All you really get with the paid is some convenience features and object placement, I guess you miss out on the updates but that's about it (how can any non-dev and non modder care?) If the game itself, indirectly became pay-gated because modders only make H5$ exclusive content, it's kind of the modders' fault and not really in the H5 dev's control. But I dont even think anyone did this on purpose, modders just make what they like in their spare time. Anyway, to get back on topic, I am glad to hear of this change and I am optimistic that many more will become interested in future VX and H5 development as a result.

 

[bagavulin]

the extended version seems to have some new configuration parameters; anyone happen to have more information about these?

like under level settings in the envinroment lightning there are some HDR and envDiffuseScale parameters now.

[smark_1]

On 3/6/2021 at 8:38 PM, pervokpetr said:

This Message is being posted by @HDiddy on behalf of @pervokpetr with his permission. Please visit https://www.patreon.com/posts/hook5-extended-48182305  for more infromation

 

This is unlocked extended version. I'm share it because I can't support regular updates anymore. First I have no enough good ideas to continue with project. Second - those ideas that I have require a lot of time and efforts and scare even me. So I'm think I should share it. I'm not drop the project right now, as I said I have some complicated ideas, but I can't even predict how much time it will require, also I still should finish/try some ideas for exclusive version. 

I hope that you, my patrons, not disappointed by hook5, we all know that this is outdated game, I tried all that in my abilities to change this game appearance. I hope I  could.

About VXGI. I successfully resolved sun shadows bug and movement halo bug, lucky that problem was not in dynamic objects. Currently I'm trying learn and understand vxgi parameters for better quality and performance. Also new problem faced - transparent object require new shading to recieve correct VXGI lighting and should be compiled by VXGI module - have no clue right now how to do it - my shading complicated enough. Once I resolve this questions all exclusive patrons will receive version with VXGI. And I will move further with attempt to implement physx clothing - as I said in begining of project I have doubt about this, but as you I want to give it a try.

And finaly - without your support hook5 had no chance to be implemented!

Thanks you all!

 

pity that paysafecard does not serve to pay ...

 

[IIIlll]

I would like to raise another issue concerning newcomers to the game. I see people complaining around the forum that their H5$ isnt working for a variety of different reasons. in my vview using hook 5 extended and supporting the creator are two separate things. If u like h5 and u appreciate the creators work go ahead and give him some money, maybe download h5 extended and save it somewhere. If however, u cant get ur h5 free to work properly, dont expect to throw money at ur problem and have it magically fix itself. TK and hook are work in progress that will probably never be a complete consumer product. If u approach it as a consumer, u will most likely be disappointed. Pervok clearly states at his patreon page that H5 extended is not intended for people unfamiliar with the game. Yes it has quality off life features in the form of user interface windows to managed more things from within the game, but the core code is no different then that of H5 free. In essence u can do the same things with h5 free as u could with h5 extended, that just involves manual writing in its management files. I have been using hook for about 6-7 months and a have a pretty good idea how most stuff works, however i will not switch to h5 extended in the near future as i dont want to have more stuff that could go wrong without completely understanding how to fix it. My suggestion is that u learn to make ur game stable with h5 free, play around with it for a while, read some documentation on TK and hook, before installing hook 5 extended.

[Guest]

@IIIlll, you make a lot of valid points. however, some things need to be clarified: the free version actually has bugs that the paid one doesn't (not being able to see environment bounds, for example); the documentation and instructions for either versions are insufficient, so learning how to do specific things may be difficult for someone not technically minded.

as for free vs paid. learning the free version before deciding to pay is wise, but I can testify that there's no reason to still use the free version if you have access to the paid one. even if complicated features like composite skins, physics, displacement, hook objects, etc don't interest you, it's still worth it. and it's not like the paid version forces features on you — you can choose which ones to use.

[Killerkamus]

thanks

[IIIlll]

@Cold Irony
After i wrote the previous post i realized i have also made some invalid claims. H5$ does indeed have features and options, not available in h5 free. Like you said displacement maps support, objects management and so on (they are all documented on pervoks patreon). However, my main argument is that one cant expect to easily run h5$ if they cant run h5 free.

[hfg2]

You would be better with H5 paid than H5 free, it is just faster and easier to work with and faster to learn as well. The helping tools are a life saver in many scenarios.

[Mightywonder]

Thank you for releasing this!

Edit: The link doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyone else having the same problem,?

Edited March 23, 2021 by Mightywonder

[HDiddy]

2 hours ago, Mightywonder said:

Thank you for releasing this!

Edit: The link doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyone else having the same problem,?

What's the issue?

[Mightywonder]

On 3/23/2021 at 7:09 PM, HDiddy said:

What's the issue?

Maybe I misunderstood, the link in the main body of the post (not the patreon link) seems to zoom into an image which doesn't load.

Presumably the unlocked version is available to $1 Patrons?

[Katana]

1 hour ago, Mightywonder said:

Maybe I misunderstood, the link in the main body of the post (not the patreon link) seems to zoom into an image which doesn't load.

Presumably the unlocked version is available to $1 Patrons?

Yes it is.
if u pledge 5 bucks u just get extra content. Like Models , skins etc.

[arse22]

On 3/24/2021 at 5:22 PM, Katana said:

Yes it is.
if u pledge 5 bucks u just get extra content. Like Models , skins etc.

I think you only get hairs. The headmod and bodymod he released for free long ago and it's widely used on this site. Xbody on this site uses it.

[Katana]

1 hour ago, arse22 said:

I think you only get hairs. The headmod and bodymod he released for free long ago and it's widely used on this site. Xbody on this site uses it.

you may be right pal
i was talking about pledge 5 and more.  it differs but i didnt look exactly into it.

[SolidVault]

Hey guys for some rooms with an active shower, or accidentally left the translation (up down left right thingy) on,  im getting this error when importing the extracted scene into blender

also why doesnt hook 5 extract the rooms with Hook5 objects? is there a way to do that?